Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates

This page provides a forum for editors to suggest items for inclusion on In the news (ITN), a protected template on the Main Page, as well as the forum for discussion of candidates. This is not the page to report errors in the ITN section on the Main Page—please go to the appropriate section at WP:ERRORS. Archives of past nominations can be found here.

This candidates page is integrated with the daily pages of Portal:Current events. Under each daily section header below is the transcluded Portal:Current events items for that day (with a light green header). Each day's portal page is followed by a subsection for suggestions and discussion.

A blurb is a one sentence summary of the news story. An alternate suggestion for the blurb is called an altblurb, and any more suggestions get labelled alt1, alt2, etc. A blurb needs at least one target article, highlighted in bold; reviewers check the quality of that article and whether it is updated, and whether reliable sources demonstrate the significance of the event. Other articles can also be linked. The Ongoing line is for regularly updated articles which cover events that remain in the news over a longer period of time. RD stands for the "recent deaths" line, and can include any living thing whose death was recently announced. In some cases, recent deaths may need additional explanation as provided by a blurb; this is decided by consensus.

Vladimir Putin The International Criminal Court issues arrest warrants for Russian president Vladimir Putin (pictured) and Russian official Maria Lvova-Belova for the abduction of children from Ukraine. At the Academy Awards, Everything Everywhere All at Once wins seven awards, including Best Picture and Best Director for Daniel Kwan and Daniel Scheinert. Iran and Saudi Arabia agree to re-establish diplomatic relations, seven years after they were severed. Silicon Valley Bank and Signature Bank both collapse over the span of three days, becoming the second- and third-largest bank failures in U.S. history. Ongoing: Russian invasion of Ukraine Recent deaths: Joe Pepitone Marek Kopelent Phyllida Barlow Vera Selby Kenzaburō Ōe Ahlem Belhadj view — page history — related changes — edit

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March 18

Portal:Current events/2023 March 18
March 18, 2023 (2023-03-18) (Saturday)

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March 17

Portal:Current events/2023 March 17

March 17, 2023 (2023-03-17) (Friday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Military aid to Ukraine during the Russo-Ukrainian War Slovakia announces that it will donate its MiG-29 fighter jets, and supply part of its Kub air-defense system to Ukraine. (Reuters) Disasters and accidents 2023 Turkish floods The death toll from the floods in Şanlıurfa and Adıyaman, Turkey, increases to 18. (A News) Fourteen people are killed and at least 12 others are injured in a roof collapse at a cold storage warehouse in Sambhal, Uttar Pradesh, India. (Metro) International relations Enlargement of NATO Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan announces that Turkey will begin the process of ratifying Finland's membership of NATO without Sweden, which Turkey accuses of supporting the PKK. (Yle) Hungary announces that a vote on Finland's membership application will take place on March 27. Fidesz parlimentary group leader Máté Kocsis says that Sweden's application will be considered at a later date. (AFP via Barron's) Law and crime Russian invasion of Ukraine The International Criminal Court issues an arrest warrant for Russian president Vladimir Putin and Maria Lvova-Belova, presidential commissioner for children's rights, for alleged war crimes involving the abduction and forced adoption of children from Ukraine. (AP) Politics and elections Russian President Vladimir Putin dismisses the Governor of Smolensk Oblast Alexey Ostrovsky. Vasily Anokhin is appointed as his successor. (Novaya Gazeta Europe) Science and technology Censorship of TikTok New Zealand bans the use of Chinese-owned video sharing app TikTok on all government devices. (The Guardian) Sports 2023 NCAA Division I men's basketball tournament 2023 Fairleigh Dickinson vs. Purdue men's basketball game No. 1 seed Purdue is defeated 58–63 by No 16 seed Fairleigh Dickinson, only the second time a 16 seed has defeated a 1 seed in the tournament's history and the first time since 2018. (USA Today)

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RD: Lance Reddick

Article: Lance Reddick (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Uproxx Deadline Hollywood AP
Credits:

• Nominated by The Kip (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Better sources on the way. The Kip (talk) 19:23, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

All sources I see right now point back to TMZ, so this should be still dubious. Masem (t) 19:25, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Now we have a non TMZ source (Deadline Hollywood) --Masem (t) 19:32, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

AP now confirming as well. The Kip (talk) 20:53, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

• Comment The body is well sourced, but the filmographies etc need sourcing. --Masem (t) 00:54, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) ICC arrest warrant for Putin

Article: Vladimir Putin (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The International Criminal Court issues an arrest warrant for Russian President Vladimir Putin on war crimes charges. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The International Criminal Court issues arrest warrants for Russian President Vladimir Putin and Commissioner for Children's Rights Maria Lvova-Belova for suspected involvement in the abduction of children from Ukraine.
News source(s): The Guardian BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Dumelow (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Red-tailed hawk (talk · give credit) and The Account 2 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Not updated yet but surely will soon be. Appreciate we have the ongoing link but this seems a major development - Dumelow (talk) 15:30, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support on the merits but I wonder if the "on war crimes charges" should be removed, given that it's only a charge. 331dot (talk) 15:35, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Furthermore, absent a revolution in Russia it is doubtful Putin (and the other person charged, the Children's rights official) will ever see the inside of an ICC courtroom or even be arrested. 331dot (talk) 15:36, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support in principle, but not ready. Wow, that was unexpected. There's no chance of Putin being arrested any time soon, but this is still a big deal in international relations. We don't normally post mere arrest warrants, but for Putin I think we should make an WP:IAR exception. The problem is getting a suitable update somewhere - I don't think a couple of sentences in Putin's long biography article is particularly helpful to readers. Is there one of the Ukraine war articles that could be updated? Or a new article started? Modest Genius ^talk 15:44, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

  Update: the altblurb is good and the new target article has a small but sufficient update. Seems postable now. Modest Genius ^talk 16:59, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Comment: would War crimes in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine be a possible link here? Masem (t) 15:45, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Child abductions in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine is another possibility once it's updated. I've suggested an altblurb also naming the second suspect - Dumelow (talk) 15:52, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Yes that would be a good option - it gives context on the specific crime, rather than a general biography (I think most readers will already know who Putin is). Modest Genius ^talk 15:58, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Wasn't aware that one existed but agreed that is more appropriate to the specific charge in place. Masem (t) 16:01, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

• (edit conflict) Conditional & Reluctant Support Normally I would oppose a report of war crimes charges as I think they should be covered by ongoing and singling out an individual in a blurb based on a charge only, could raise BLP issues. However, this is Putin himself and that puts things on an entirely different level. The main problem at the moment is that this needs to be substantially expanded. Ideally it should be the subject of its own article. As of right now, this cannot be posted. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:46, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

  Vladimir Putin arrest warrant is now an article. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 17:28, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

• Weak support - unprecedented act indeed, but let's be honest, the ICC knows that the chance of this warrant being carried out is extremely low, and will almost certainly come with major escalation. This is at least in part a virtue signal. Crusader1096 (message) 15:54, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support based on the importance, international coverage and quality of the articles. This is simply unprecedented. --NoonIcarus (talk) 15:54, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
• dont really know whats unprecedented about the ICC issuing an unenforceable warrant, but plenty of heads of state have been charged previously. This has next to no chance of doing anything, as the Russians would likely react similar to what the US would do. It is in the news though, but all the same, covered by ongoing and of little impact. nableezy - 16:09, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

  Can somebody please tell me what is unprecedented about this? I guess a warrant against the head of state of a UNSC permanent member, but again several heads of state were indicted while they were heads of state for actions in an ongoing armed conflict. Off the top of my head Omar Bashir for crimes against humanity in Darfur. Gaddafi for the Libyan Civil War. Russia isnt a signatory to the Rome Statute, this is effectively a press release. nableezy - 16:57, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

  I'd say that a warrant against the head of state of a UNSC permanent member is both entirely unprecedented and significant. I think that's where the minds of most people in support of posting this are. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 17:08, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

  I tend to think ICC issues unenforceable warrant against target that will never be brought to trial unless there is a regime change being a non-event and not at all unprecedented, but thats just me I guess. nableezy - 17:33, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

  Given the precedent cited below on Bashir and Gaddafi being posted when indicted then my objections are lessened, though this still is indeed covered by ongoing. nableezy - 20:25, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support significant development in the Ukraine war, and the ICC is the global body for prosecuting war crimes. While it may seem that the odds of carrying out the warrant are low right now, many former heads of state have been arrested and prosecuted years afterwards. NorthernFalcon (talk) 16:12, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
• Strong Oppose. Almost certain to amount to nothing seeing as there's basically no chance Putin ever shows up to face these charges. If Putin does eventually come before such a court and is found guilty however? Now that's ITN material. DarkSide830 (talk) 16:15, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

  The ICC issuing arrest warrants in general is uncommon, never mind against the leader of a major world power engaged in warfare against another country, for conduct in said war. 331dot (talk) 16:33, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support alternative blurb. This is unprecedented in the history of the ICC, and it is extremely significant in that the head of state of a P5 country is being charged. I like the focus on the article relating to the abductions, though both that article and Putin's biography are now updated to include this information, which was absent at the time of the nom. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 16:18, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support alt blurb - there are two items which lack references, but this is not serious enough to prevent it being posted. Mjroots (talk) 16:44, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

  I think I've fixed the reference issues; please let me know if there is anything else that needs fixing. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 16:50, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

  @Red-tailed hawk: - last paragraph of "Reactions" needs a ref. Mjroots (talk) 17:24, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Support blurb - Unprecedented in ICC history, major development in the war.

The head of state of a nuclear power having an arrest warrant from the largest criminal court in the world is big news. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:47, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Support alt blurb Major news, think its good to include Maria Lvova-Belova in the blurb and important to note that the charges relate to the alleged abduction of children. ✨  4 🧚‍♂am KING  16:51, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Support blurb Major international event Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:52, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Support – Unprecented and major enough to be posted regardless of the 'ongoing' (like we did for the annexations last year). DecafPotato (talk) 17:00, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

• Posted altblurb in a slightly more concise form. Image can be added once it is protected on Commons. Sandstein 17:34, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

  @Sandstein: Just as a quick WP:BLPCRIME note, I think we should probably use the less concise version; something like "alleged involvement in" or "suspected involvement in" seems more compliant with that policy than the thing that got posted. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 17:54, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

  In my view, "arrest warrant" implies that they are accused, not yet convicted of crimes. If other admins disagree, feel free to adjust, but "involvement in" is euphemistic; they are accused of ordering these crimes. Sandstein 18:16, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

  Would "allegedly ordering" work better? — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 18:52, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

  Actually, one would need to look at the arrest warrants to determine what specifically their respective relation to the abductions is alleged to be. That would complicate the blurb and make it overlong. Sandstein 19:14, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

  @Sandstein: Could you link Vladimir Putin arrest warrant? Seems to be the root article for this topic. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 19:09, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

  Still a very new article that needs community examination before posting it to the front page. Sandstein 19:13, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

  That article is absolutely unnecessary, making too much fine grain on the level of detail we should cover. Put it with Child abductions in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine instead. Masem (t) 19:11, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

• Post-posting oppose per Nableezy. A nuclear power answers to no courthouse. --⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 17:44, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

  I don't see how that's relevant, and nuclear powers UK and France are members of the ICC 331dot (talk) 18:23, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

• Post-posting oppose. Not really relevant given that Russia (and even the US) don't recognise this court. Also no chance anything will come of it, and we already have a line item in Ongoing for everything related to the Ukraine war.  — Amakuru (talk) 18:33, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Post-posting oppose. This is not really ITN worthy as it has no real world significance. It is very unlikely this will result in any real world action in the next month. On the off chance something comes of it, it will come months or years down the line and we should post that if it ever happens. Aure entuluva (talk) 18:35, 17 March 2023 (UTC) (Striking in line with extended-confirmed restriction of WP:GS/RUSUKR.) — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 18:55, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose (edit conflict)

1. "First catch your bear"
2. Today there were lots of high profile news stories that "China's Xi to meet Putin in Moscow next week". Why are we not reporting that too as it seems more likely to actually happen?
3. And there were lots of news stories about Russia downing a US drone.
4. But we already have Russian invasion of Ukraine in Ongoing to cover the numerous and various news stories arising from this conflict. How is this different?
5. WP:PERP says "A living person accused of a crime is presumed not guilty unless and until the contrary is decided by a court of law."

Andrew🐉(talk) 18:38, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Presidents meeting each other is a routine activity. International courts issuing warrants for permanent members of the UN Security Council who are engaged in open warfare is not routine. 331dot (talk) 19:15, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Cyclones, floods and other disasters are routine. Elections of national leaders are routine. Sporting events are routine. And yet we post all these. What's supposed to matter is significance and Xi's meeting with Putin seems more significant than the ICC because China is a superpower and the ICC isn't. Neither China nor Russia nor the USA is a signatory to the ICC. Even the Ukraine hasn't ratified it. Andrew🐉(talk) 20:38, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

You're welcome to nominate Xi's visit and check out opinions. As for ICC's arrest warrants, regardless of enforceability and bureaucratic obstacles, this is a major public degradation of Putin's international standing that would enter history textbooks as a symbol of everyone's equality before the law, regardless of ranks, and determination to seek justice at the highest possible level. That alone is sufficient for a blurb. Brandmeister^talk 22:37, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

• Post-posting support - it doesn't really matter whether or not something will come of it. What does matter is that it's making news around the world and is unprecedented to boot. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 18:39, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support - Per above, still, WTF happened? - User:Editor 5426387 (talk) 19:00, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
• Post-posting support. Obviously there will be little to no immediate practical effect barring a dramatic Russian collapse, but an ICC warrant is significant and news in and of itself. ITN has blurbed both previous ICC warrants of sitting world leaders: Omar al-Bashir [1] and Muammar Gaddaffi. [2] al-Bashir's trial still has not occured, though after the 2019 coup, he might be handed over to the ICC. Gaddaffi of course, was killed in the war, so never stood trial. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 19:12, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
• Post-posting support ICC warrants for heads of state are highly uncommon, let alone the leader of a UNSC permanent member. The Kip (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 19:15, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
• Post-posting support It doesn't matter that nothing will probably come of it. The ICC is widely recognised worldwide, even by those who don't recognise its jurisdiction over their own country. It's an arrest warrant for a major current world leader. It's clearly notable news. -- KTC (talk) 19:55, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
• Really??? As far as I can tell there are exactly two sentences in the bolded article about this, plus one in the lead. That is completely inadequate coverage for an ITN blurb and to the best of my recollection has never been considered acceptable in the past. We need to slow down and actually look at what we are linking. ITN is not a news ticker and we should not be lowering, or simply ignoring our standards just because something is grabbing headlines. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:59, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

  ...or we can be responsive to what happens in the world and remain relevant. I would urge you to review the stated purpose of ITN for which this IMHO checks at least three of the boxes. Quality can always be improved, but perfect should not be the enemy of good. 331dot (talk) 20:24, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

  In other words, we should become a news ticker? -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:30, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

  No, we should

  -help readers find and quickly access content they are likely to be searching for because an item is in the news.

  -showcase quality Wikipedia content on current events.

  -point readers to subjects they might not have been looking for but nonetheless may interest them.

  -emphasize Wikipedia as a dynamic resource.

  If you disagree with these things, I believe you know where the discussion page is. 331dot (talk) 20:33, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

• Post-posting support A significant action by a respected organization with great moral weight against Putin’s crimes.-TenorTwelve (talk) 23:08, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Untested allegations against two living people, tiny update and covered by Ongoing. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:20, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Post-posting support - The ICC has never made an arrest warrant against a (sitting) head of state. As others have said, it doesn't matter if a trial occurs (which it almost certainly will not), it's still important nonetheless. Estar8806 (talk) 23:26, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Untrue. Multiple times untrue. nableezy - 23:28, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Every criminal suspect deserves a fair trial. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:48, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

This is the most annoying part of the BLP correction from every unsourced tidbit should be retained cus it may in fact be verifiable of yesteryear to today's unambiguous facts should be suppressed because other future things may not be true. It is unambiguously true that an arrest warrant was issued for Putin by the ICC on these charges, and no future trial, conviction, acquittal or anything else would change that from being true. nableezy - 23:51, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

It's the for the abduction of children from Ukraine part I find prejudicial. That's the charge. The two never-to-be defendants weren't neccesssarily served the warrant for actually abducting children. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:13, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

• Post-posting support. I am not really surprised but still disgusted by the number of Putin's defenders who came out of the woodwork here. Shameful. Nsk92 (talk) 00:36, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

  If you're referring to me, you've got it wrong, I did the same for Lvova-Belova and I'd do the same for you. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:44, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose since when did we start posting arrests instead of convictions? Banedon (talk) 01:00, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

  Since when did we consider an Event article that only has Background and Reactions "ready"? Since now, bud. This is yet another stupid fucking precedent to have to remember we threw on the pile, like the Mandela/Thatcher Standard, Lebrongate or WP:MINIMUMDEATHS. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:40, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

  I'm sure I'll get killed for this but I actually think the LeBron record will go down as more significant. This is DYK material here. The fact that the arrests are likely getting merged into the abductions article substantiates the fact that in-actionable warrants such as these are footnotes in a much larger story. DarkSide830 (talk) 05:16, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

  If anyone wants to kill you, they'll have to get through me next! LeBron setting an all-time NBA scoring record is still a bigger deal than yet another Putin hater trying to hurt him with words. As are the facts that Nelson Mandela and Margaret Thatcher are dead (I don't think anyone here really still cares that 197 died in this suicide bombing or 306 in that flood, though). InedibleHulk (talk) 05:41, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

  Correction: The current event article was never even the target for this In The News fiasco. Just Putin and missing children. Two things that have already happened. At least it got his picture on the front page. That'll show him. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:50, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose. It's an entirely symbolic move, as acknowledged by all parties, and there's virtually no chance that an arrest will follow it. Not the sort of thing we should post at ITN – we shouldn't just consider whether an event is unprecedented, but whether it has real consequences or the potential to. — Goszei (talk) 03:09, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

• Post-posting oppose per @Goszei, @Banedon, @InedibleHulk Evan224 (talk) 03:55, 18 March 2023 (UTC) (Striking in line with extended-confirmed restriction of WP:GS/RUSUKR.) — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 06:03, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

• Pull Firstly Ongoing exists for a reason. We should also not be throwing out BLP in any case, these are still just charges not a conviction (Bashir and Gaddafi might have been posted but those were a decade ago; regardless mistakes should not be repeated). Gotitbro (talk) 05:32, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

(Removed) Ongoing Removal: Cyclone Freddy

Article: Cyclone Freddy (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)

Nominator's comments: The article is in past tense. Seems to be over. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 12:01, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support I think that's really all we need, so sure, I think we should remove it.

Palmtreegames, Looking for a better signature. (talk) 15:18, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

• Comment: As stated in the nom below, we were waiting for the death toll to stop increasing so rapidly before removing it. 111 more bodies were recovered just yesterday between Malawi and Mozambique. The storm is considered dissipated as soon as the low-level center can't be tracked or the agencies simply decide to stop tracking it and the article transitions to past tense. This is regardless of whether or not the remnants still exist and are still causing flooding. In this case, heavy rainfall is still occurring over the flooded areas and floods haven't begun to recede as of the latest reports. Noah^Talk 15:34, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

  Pull While heavy rain is still falling and floods are still killing people, the cyclone itself has "dissipated". This is part of the reason why ongoing is honestly inappropriate for tropical cyclones. They are "finished" as soon as they degrade enough that agencies don't bother tracking them anymore. We can't keep this here forever while the hunt for survivors and remains is conducted. As far as Meteo France and the Joint Typhoon Warning Center are concerned, the disaster ended on March 14–15 when they ceased tracking it. Noah^Talk 16:26, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support. No longer ongoing. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 16:34, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support - Per above - User:Editor 5426387 (talk) 19:00, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

  @Curbon7: keep your $5. :P MarioJump83 (talk) 23:53, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

  C’mon, when will they give a good reason to their vote? Tails Wx 23:54, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

• Removed Stephen 22:09, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

(Closed) Ongoing: World Baseball Classic

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: 2023 World Baseball Classic (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
Credits:

• Nominated by 2600:1700:31BA:9410:9CE6:94D8:E140:7B1E (talk · give credit)

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 2600:1700:31BA:9410:9CE6:94D8:E140:7B1E (talk) 04:56, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

The tournament is ITN/R but doesn't need to be ongoing. We'll have the article ready to post after the final game concludes on Tuesday. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:59, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

• Needs work A typical sports article with lots of flags and scores and tables and not much else. And there are other issues such as the use of future tense. And it doesn't seem suitable for Ongoing as it's nearly over. And there's an issue with some of the teams which are rather phony. For example, though baseball originated in Britain, the game has died out there and is only played by a tiny number of amateurs. And just about none of these are on the roster for the so-called GB team which seems to have been packed with ringers. These claim to be British in the same way that Boris Johnson was American – a technicality of birth or parentage. But they are really Americans who play in the US, right? The article doesn't explain this. The sport has generally struggled to establish itself as an international sport, having been removed from the Olympics, and so this shaky background needs explaining. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:24, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

While the odd team composition is all interesting to bring up, I don't see any of that as being necessary to establish the prose of the article unless it's something specific to WBC 2023. Most of what you are describing seems to be an issue with the competition in general rather than its yearly iterations. --⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 12:08, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

• Too soon. The tournament is only at the quarter-final stage and doesn't conclude until Tuesday (which is a weird day to hold the final, why wouldn't it get a prime weekend slot?). I suggest you withdraw this nomination and come back once they tournament is actually completed. The article will need referenced prose - not just tables - describing what happened at the tournament, during the final etc. Modest Genius ^talk 12:03, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

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Ongoing: 2023 French pension reform strikes

Article: 2023 French pension reform strikes (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
Credits:

• Nominated by Rushtheeditor (talk · give credit)

 ~ Rushtheeditor (talk) 00:02, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Not enough substantial editing activity to be ongoing Noah^Talk 00:12, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

• Speedy SNOW close Article is on the verge of being a stub, and also has 11 edits in the past week on it. This is not Ongoing worthy. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 00:47, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

  How does this meet the criteria for WP:SPEEDY and WP:SNOW? Just because an article is a stub doesn't mean that it can't be posted, and whose to say that there won't be an uptick in edit activity? Additionally, you can't invoke the snowball clause for only two opposes. Crusader1096 (message) 02:03, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

  We dont post things to ongoing on the chance that there will be an uptick in editing activity. That is getting into WP:CRYSTAL territory there. A blurb would be more appropriate as Masem has said below once the article is updated enough. Noah^Talk 02:10, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

  It isn't WP:Crystal to wait until an article is expanded. WP:SNOW is becoming stupidly overused at this point. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 11:23, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

  Anybody who calls for WP:SNOW and is wrong/prematurely early should have any of their future calls for WP:SNOW struck through, in my opinion. --⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 12:10, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

  Agreed. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 15:11, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

• Probably this should be first improved but brought as a blurb - the decision by Macron to push through the retirement age bill today is causing a newfound round of protests, which have been covered by the news (they ahve been a million strong at times). --Masem (t) 01:17, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
• Wait per @Masem. Crusader1096 (message) 02:03, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

• Blurb when ready - Generating a lot of media coverage and the scale of the protests is blurb-worthy, but the article needs improvement. ✨  4 🧚‍♂am KING  07:43, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

• Note that the article has an orange maintenance tag. Schwede66 09:30, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support: Article's expanding; I've dealt with the maintenance tag. RAN1 (talk) 12:01, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
• Not ready: this might be significant enough to post, but the article is pure WP:PROSELINE. It doesn't even explain why the protests are happening - just one sentence saying it's related to pension age - or why the government is attempting to bring in these reforms. What's there is well-referenced, but it needs to explain the causes of the protests. Modest Genius ^talk 12:08, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support when updated per above. The Kip (talk) 19:12, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support as its definitely ongoing and the article looks very good and ready to post. Flyingfishee (talk) 03:13, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

RD: Laura Valenzuela

Article: Laura Valenzuela (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): La Vanguardia, El País, Hola
Credits:

• Nominated by Alexcalamaro (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Very popular Spanish actress and presenter. Alexcalamaro (talk) 20:29, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

March 16

Portal:Current events/2023 March 16

March 16, 2023 (2023-03-16) (Thursday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Military aid to Ukraine during the Russo-Ukrainian War Poland announces that it will deliver four MiG-29 fighter jets to Ukraine, becoming the first NATO member state to send warplanes to Ukraine. (Sky News) Israeli–Palestinian conflict Two militants including Islamic Jihad and Hamas commanders and two civilians are killed and five others are injured during a raid by Israeli security forces in the Jenin refugee camp, in the West Bank. (The Jerusalem Post) (Al Jazeera) Insurgency in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Eight militants and two civilian children are killed during a military operation by the Pakistan Army in Zinghara, South Waziristan. (Xinhua) Libyan Crisis The Libyan National Army says that it has found about two and a half tonnes of uranium ore contained in ten drums, near the border with Chad, that was reported missing by the International Atomic Energy Agency. (BBC News) Disasters and accidents 2022–23 South-West Indian Ocean cyclone season Cyclone Freddy The death toll from Cyclone Freddy increases to over 300, with most of the deaths occurring in Malawi. (Al Jazeera) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic Investigations into the origin of COVID-19 An international team of virus experts finds genetic evidence linking the origins of the COVID-19 pandemic to the illegal trade of infected raccoon dogs in Wuhan, China. (New York Times) Law and crime Over 220 Brazilian National Guardsmen are deployed to the northeastern states of Rio Grande do Norte and Paraiba after riots caused by imprisoned gang members result in three deaths and class cancellations in both states. (AP) Politics and elections 2023 French pension reform strikes French President Emmanuel Macron invokes a Constitutional amendment allowing him to circumvent the National Assembly in order to pass a controversial reform bill raising the retirement age in the country from 62 to 64, without the bill going to a vote. (The New York Times) The Moldovan parliament approves a law that formally declares the country's official language as Romanian. (Reuters) Science and technology Censorship of TikTok, Internet censorship in the United Kingdom The British government bans the use of Chinese-owned video-sharing app TikTok on all government devices, citing security concerns. (Sky News)

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RD: Jacqueline Gold

Article: Jacqueline Gold (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [3]
Credits:

• Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 18:13, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

• Weak Support That's Jacqueline Summers Gold, by the way, once hailed as the 16th richest woman in Britain and former chair of three apparently leadworthy companies (two notable). The article needs more pronouns, or at least to refer to her by her cool and only slightly longer surname. I'd do it, but I don't want to. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:15, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

March 15

Portal:Current events/2023 March 15

March 15, 2023 (2023-03-15) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks A man accused of being the perpetrator of an explosion at the Megiddo Junction which injured a civilian two days ago is shot and killed by Israeli soldiers. The man is believed to have crossed into northern Israel from Lebanon. (Al Jazeera) Disasters and accidents 2022–23 South-West Indian Ocean cyclone season Cyclone Freddy The death toll from Cyclone Freddy in Malawi increases to 225 people, mostly in the city of Blantyre. (Reuters) Twenty-one people are killed by a coal mine explosion in Sutatausa, Cundinamarca, Colombia. (El País) 2023 Turkish floods Twelve people in Şanlıurfa and two in Adıyaman, Turkey, are killed by floods caused by heavy rain. (BBC News)

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2023 Turkish floods

Article: 2023 Turkish floods (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Floods in Turkey killed at least 15, caused extensive damage, and left many missing in the same regions affected by the deadly earthquake. (Post)
News source(s): Daily Sabah, Al Jazeera, Bloomberg
Credits:

• Nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)

 Ainty Painty (talk) 14:29, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality Article is still far too short/sparse on details for ITN. The Kip (talk) 17:17, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
• Not ready. Article still needs a lot of work. Vida0007 (talk) 19:47, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support upon expansion - currently not enough information on the actual flood itself outside of the lead. Also, both of the computers I use in a string of bad luck are or will be broken so I'm currently on mobile and thus can't fully tell, but the article seems to be a little short. Crusader1096 (message) 23:05, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

RD: Antje Vollmer

Article: Antje Vollmer (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Der Spiegel
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: German politician, Green party. Vice president of the Bundestag. Grimes2 (talk) 11:54, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

• Wait. She deserves more nuance, also awards, but I'm too tired. Help? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:13, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

  Support now. But there's still much more detail in German. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:15, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

(Closed) GPT-4 releases

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Article: GPT-4 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ OpenAI releases GPT-4, a generative AI, to the public (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ GPT-4, the successor to GPT-3 (ChatGPT), releases to the public
News source(s): https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-64959346
Credits:

• Nominated by PrecariousWorlds (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Very unorthodox nomination, but this is (in my opinion) a HUGELY relevant event. It is In The News, sending shockwaves throughout the internet and tech world, and is a groundbreaking innovation in Artificial Intelligence, a technology that will probably come to define this era. This is truly a breakthrough, and (in my opinion) qualifies for ITN. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:01, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose — No worldwide significance. Product releases aren't suitable for ITN. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 16:25, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

  Why not? This is already having a gigantic impact. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:28, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose: The BBC article shows it suggesting you can make omelettes with flour. GPT's "humor" aside, it's just another chatbot. RAN1 (talk) 17:46, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. Just another example of why Searle's Chinese room argument is so sound, and of no wider significance. Main page is not for advertising. Courcelles (talk) 17:48, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. Companies doing company things. Not ITN-worthy. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:50, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per all of the above, - User:Editor 5426387 (talk), 18:18, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. Tech news today. I don't believe we announced the other AIs. Maybe when it turns into Skynet (of course by then though...) CoatCheck (talk) 18:21, 15 March 2023 (UTC).
• Oppose - This is not an advertising ticker. We shouldn't overstep WP:CRYSTAL in foretelling the impact of this product. And it's not AI: it's just a statistical large data model with no self-awareness. GenevieveDEon (talk) 18:23, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose The original ChatGPT had made such a shockwave, I feel, that any new additions won't top when it first showed up. I could be wrong on that, after all I don't pay very much attention to the tech world, but even then, I still oppose for the reasons brought up previously as well. TheBlueSkyClub (talk) 19:37, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose its just a new product, how is this ITN-worthy? It's just another service from OpenAI, nothing special. TomMasterReal^TALK 19:47, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Neater than a new camera phone, but still, ten against one. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:27, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Oppose - i do feel like people are missing the point a bit. It isn't just some "new product". From what's been told, this new AI version is MUCH stronger than its predecessor by over a quadrillion times. Yet, what makes me oppose this is that it's not that great. It's a major improvement from its previous but it's still not blurbable imo. I would possibly support the blurbing of a hypothetical GPT-5 depending on how good it is but GPT-4 just isn't good enough. Onegreatjoke (talk) 20:39, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Where did you get "a quadrillion times stronger" from? The originally rumored figure was that it had about 570 times more parameters (from 175 billion to 100 trillion), and even that was deemed an exaggeration by OpenAI. Ionmars10 (talk) 21:07, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

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Cyclone Yaku

Article: Cyclone Yaku (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Cyclone Yaku causes widespread destruction in Ecuador and Peru, resulting in at least six deaths. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Cyclone Yaku causes widespread destruction in Ecuador and Peru, resulting in at least six deaths and leaving thousands homeless.
News source(s): Bloomberg, Reuters
Credits:

• Nominated by WMrapids (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Very unusual weather phenomenon for the region that is causing widespread destruction in Peru. Death toll is expected to increase. WMrapids (talk) 03:37, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose The sources say this has killed six to eight people, not at least 60. About that many have died in the rainy season. Unless I'm missing something (I read Spanish poorly). InedibleHulk (talk) 04:13, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

I oppose since we don't know what the hell has actually happened due to conflicting sources (multiple Spanish sources say 58-60 deaths for the storm and some say 6). Collapsed further discussion under InedibleHulk's oppose due to its size and it's now straying off the topic of the storm itself. NoahTalk 22:31, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Sources do indeed mention 58 and 3 deaths. I have put a ton of sources on the TP for expansion but sadly it seems nobody wants to help out the article. Cyclone activity is rare in Peru as sources cited it being the first such event since 1997–98.NoahTalk 09:49, 15 March 2023 (UTC) Most of those are in Spanish, which I don't read well enough to know. The English ones in your list put the toll at around six, one adding Later, INDECI said 58 people had been killed since the start of the rainy season, which began some months ago. It did not provide a specific time frame for the casualties. Can you share one English source here for "at least 60"? InedibleHulk (talk) 20:25, 15 March 2023 (UTC) No, because I can only find 3 major English sources (including the two above) discussing it in detail and they all published similar information. [4] title translates directly as "Peru underwater. Cyclone Yaku: 60 dead and 15,000 homeless without response from the Boluarte coup government". My guess is that official sources aren't differentiating the deaths because Yaku was simply worsening existing rain/flood problems and wasn't the only factor in the recent rains. NoahTalk 20:53, 15 March 2023 (UTC) You'll understand if I trust the story shared by the staff of Reuters, DW and Bloomberg over a post by someone whose username translates to "fight kings". InedibleHulk (talk) 21:08, 15 March 2023 (UTC) It's not their username but rather their actual name, which is Lucha Reyes. A lot of Spanish names translate to words in English. If you trust the English sources only on these storms, then articles won't go anywhere because they don't provide adequate information. NoahTalk 21:18, 15 March 2023 (UTC) Nobody's real name is Lucha Reyes. The English sources we've always trusted, unlike La Izquierda Diario, do provide adequate information. They mention the six dead INDECI blames on the cyclone and the 58 it says have died since Decemberish. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:22, 15 March 2023 (UTC) Lucha Reyes (Peruvian singer) exists... last name actually was Reyes and her common name was Lucha. Her professional partner's first name translates to pity in English. Not hard to believe someone actually being named Lucha. Articles would be absolute shit if not for local language sources because English sources do not provide in-depth coverage of the impact but rather a summary. NoahTalk 21:29, 15 March 2023 (UTC) As you say, only her last name was Reyes. Same deal with Lucha Reyes (Mexican singer), Lucha Villa or Hurricane Helms. It's fine for entertainers to take stage names, but when a supposed reporter for a socialist opinion website does it, that's pretty fugazi. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:37, 15 March 2023 (UTC) Oppose since we don't know what the hell has actually happened due to conflicting sources (multiple Spanish sources say 58-60 deaths for the storm and some say 6). Not going to bother arguing with you anymore since it's just talking to a wall. I already mentioned quite a few names in Spanish translate to words in English. If you want to biased against Spanish sources due to the name of the reporter, so be it. NoahTalk 21:49, 15 March 2023 (UTC) I'm not Jerry Tuite, so no Wall or Malice intended. I appreciate that some real Spanish names (like Reyes) do translate to English words. But "Lucha" is not one of them and searching Wikipedia for an example to the contrary is fruitless. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:53, 15 March 2023 (UTC) How do you know that Lucha isn't a real name? What evidence do you have of that? NoahTalk 21:56, 15 March 2023 (UTC) It's more a lack of evidence, despite searching Wikipedia, combined with a knowledge of many lucha libre stage names, such as Luchasaurus. What I trust less about Lucha Reyes' "diary" than its language is that it's a socialist opinion site, not hard news. Plus, multiple actual and reputable newswires have contradicted his or her claim. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:00, 15 March 2023 (UTC) Quite a few newspapers in Central and South America are affiliated with either the state or a political party. That simply comes with the territory. I haven't thoroughly vetted that source, but that has to be done before declaring it entirely unreliable as there are state/political party-affiliated sources that have been deemed reliable in the past for other countries for various articles across Wikipedia. For example, every Chinese news source would be considered unreliable since they are state-affiliated, but that isn't the case. It is decided on a case-by-case basis and sometimes takes hours of searching for an individual source. Given that multiple Spanish sources have stated 60, maybe there was simply confusion on their part. That does happen from time to time in English news reporting, especially when multiple figures are coming out in short order. Reuters had to issue a correction for Freddy's death toll in Malawi today. NoahTalk 22:12, 15 March 2023 (UTC) I'm far from smart when it comes to politics in Argentina, but it seems that state now runs on Kirchnerism, not Trotskyism. So it's not like China Daily or People's Daily as the mouthpiece for Communism in China. It's the "alternative media", in Americanist terms (as "fight kings" might suggest). InedibleHulk (talk) 22:23, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

• Needs expansion This is a highly unusal event but the article needs a significant expansion to make it into ITN. MarioJump83 (talk) 13:53, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

  I provided the tools at Talk:Cyclone Yaku#Impact Sources for those who want to. Noah^Talk 14:35, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

  @MarioJump83:Should be decently expanded now.--WMrapids (talk) 15:56, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

  I'm supporting this now. Once again, this is an unusual disaster. MarioJump83 (talk) 15:59, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support Unusual disaster with a decent amount of deaths. The article is in okay shape now but could always use more expansion. Noah^Talk 16:08, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support. Meets impact standards, and on top of that this event should be one that readers are particularly curious about. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:01, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support Giving the article a bit of a skim, might have missed some stuff I'm unaware of, but meets notability standards IMO, it's rare for hurricanes to hit Ecuador and Peru. TheBlueSkyClub (talk) 19:39, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support 60 deaths, unusual event, and the impacts section has beeb expanded (particularly for Peru)! Tails Wx 21:37, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

  That 60 deaths part is a misunderstanding, but the rest seems true. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:05, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

  Yeah, Reuters explains it as well. Later, INDECI said 58 people had been killed since the start of the rainy season... only 6 have occurred, and the other 58 are from the other events of the rainy season! Tails Wx 22:24, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

March 14

Portal:Current events/2023 March 14

March 14, 2023 (2023-03-14) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russia–United States relations 2023 Black Sea drone incident Russian Air Force Su-27 fighter jets "intercept and hit" a United States Air Force MQ-9 Reaper drone over the Black Sea, with the collision damaging the drone's propeller and causing the United States to crash the drone into international waters. (The Washington Post) (Reuters) Somali Civil War At least five people are killed and 11 others are injured, including Gedo governor Ahmed Bulle Gared, when a suicide car bomber drives into a guest house in Bardera, Jubaland, Somalia. (AFP via Barron's) Business and economy 2021–2023 inflation surge Argentina's annual inflation rate increases to 102.5%, the highest recorded rate since 1991. (Reuters) Meta Platforms announces plans to cut 10,000 more jobs across its workforce, citing "higher interest rates in the United States, global geopolitical instability and increased regulation" as the reason for the layoffs. (BBC News) Disasters and accidents 2023 Serasan landslide The death toll from the landslide in Serasan, Indonesia, increases to 50 people. (CNN Indonesia) Law and crime 2023 Pakistani protests Protests occur in Pakistan over the possible arrest of PTI chairman and former Prime Minister Imran Khan. (livemint) Lithuania's Seimas votes to recognize Russian paramilitary force Wagner Group as a terrorist organization, citing the group's "numerous crimes" in Ukraine, including the killing and torturing of civilians. (RFE/RL) Ecuadorian lawmakers unanimously vote to declassify documents in continuing efforts to impeach President Guillermo Lasso for corruption. (Reuters) International relations China–Honduras relations, Foreign relations of Taiwan President Xiomara Castro announces that Honduras will stop recognizing Taiwan and will start recognizing the People's Republic of China as the sole Chinese state. (AP) Ecuador withdraws its ambassador from Argentina in protest at the latter sheltering Ecuadorian politician María de los Ángeles Duarte since 2020, refusing to give information of her whereabouts. Hours later, Argentina also withdraws its ambassador from Ecuador, escalating diplomatic tensions between the two nations. (Infobae) Science and technology Timeline of artificial intelligence OpenAI launches GPT-4, the next generation large language model for artificial intelligence chatbot ChatGPT. The new model can respond to images, and has the ability to process up to 25,000 words. (BBC News)

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US drone downed in the Black Sea

Article: 2023 Black Sea drone incident (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ An American MQ-9 Reaper drone is downed in the Black Sea by Russian Sukhoi Su-27 fighter jets (Post)
News source(s): See article
Credits:

• Nominated by Banedon (talk · give credit)
• Created by PLATEL (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Kind of surprised we don't have a nomination for this. "First direct contact between the Russian and United States Air Forces since the Cold War", per the article. Blurb might need improvement, since the facts are disputed. Banedon (talk) 01:37, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

• Covered by the Ukraine ongoing for all purposes. It hasn't really tripped the relationship between the US and Russia that's already not stressed by the Ukraine war. --Masem (t) 02:10, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose I don't think it's covered by Ongoing, just loosely connected. But I also know we still don't know much and that nobody died in this downing/crash/whatever. We don't mourn robots here, and shouldn't always anticipate doom. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:06, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose unless the US invokes Article 5 over this, in which case, it's been a pleasure editing with you all. Juxlos (talk) 08:37, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

  I don't know about you, but the first thing I'll do when I see the mushroom cloud rising in the distance is post it to ITN. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 11:25, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose. Of all the death and destruction being caused in the Ukraine war, one drone being forced down is a drop in the ocean. This is covered by the entry in ongoing. If it prompted a major response from the US we can consider that as a nomination, but right now it's a minor diplomatic scuffle, akin to the missile that accidentally hit Poland a few months ago. Modest Genius ^talk 12:12, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Not a big enough incident that it needs its own posting in addition to the ongoing. Curbon7 (talk) 14:15, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
• Leaning oppose. If this had been a piloted plane that's a different matter. Based on the video, this actually looks accidental (it was physically struck by a Russian fighter trying to do a near pass; no sane pilot will ever intentionally collide with another object in the air). BD2412 T 16:04, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose It's just a drone being downed in the ocean, its not something big. TomMasterReal^TALK 01:15, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

RD: Bobby Caldwell

Article: Bobby Caldwell (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): USA Today
Credits:

• Nominated by Vida0007 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Died yesterday but death was only announced today; saw no {cn} tags but there is still no section about his death yet. Vida0007 (talk) 15:30, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

• Comment Film soundtracks and Japanese audience sections do not contain any sources. --Vacant0 (talk) 19:10, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Article orange tagged for lacking sources. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 23:33, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) Ongoing: Cyclone Freddy

Article: Cyclone Freddy (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
Credits:

• Nominated by Cyclonebiskit (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Catastrophic flooding ongoing in Malawi with the death toll rapidly rising (199 confirmed as of this nomination). Rainfall is continuing across Malawi and Mozambique in association with the cyclone's remnants. The article is continually being expanded and meets criteria for ongoing. Opting to nominate instead of add it myself given my involvement in the tropical cyclone project. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 19:43, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support - Disaster is still continuing and rain is expected through at least Friday if not longer. Noah^Talk 19:50, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Support per nom. Very much an ongoing event and very much in the news. Quality seems A-OK. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 20:33, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Support per above - was not expecting this to last as long as it has. Crusader1096 (message) 20:42, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

It's the only tropical cyclone on record to outlive a long month (31 days). And it broke the record by days. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 20:53, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support its still going as the cyclone's remnants is still bringing heavy rainfall and 238 fatalities is confirmed so far which is very notable for a tropical cyclones

Rainbow Galaxy POC (talk) 20:44, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support per above - User:editor 5426387 (talk) 21:00, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support A notable cyclone that broke any records. HurricaneEdgar 21:05, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support ongoing. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 00:55, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
• Posted to ongoing. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:02, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
• Question. Is this really ongoing? Our article on this topic has this as the first line of the lede. Very Intense Tropical Cyclone Freddy was an exceptionally long-lived storm that tracked across the Indian Ocean for more than five weeks in February and March 2023.. Can any knowledgeable editor, update the lede if it is indeed ongoing. If it is not ongoing, we should not include this in the ongoing section. Ktin (talk) 21:24, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

  Rainfall is still ongoing and expected to continue for a few more days as a result of the remnant moisture. The storm is no longer being tracked and is considered "dissipated" as of this morning because its center position could not be located. That doesn't mean the disaster is over. Noah^Talk 21:35, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

  Got it thanks. If the storm is "dissipated," I would recommend removing it from ongoing. Alternately, if the storm is ongoing, I would recommend the lede of the target article be updated. Ktin (talk) 22:21, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

  It is no longer a tropical cyclone and the wind map is no longer "rotation around a center" but it is still raining. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 23:16, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

  If it's still otherwise worthy of ongoing (I have no idea) maybe the link can be Cyclone Freddy flooding or something piped to the article. If a 1993 or 2011-level or worse Mississippi flood was caused by a storm new states could start flooding for months after the storm disappears. The rivers in this part of the world aren't as long in water travel time as the Mississippi but an organized wind map still existing is not needed for water from that storm to still be rising in many homes. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 23:34, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

  We need to look to Relief Web to see how the disaster is progressing. Noah^Talk 00:27, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

  We can remove it if the death toll starts to wane off in a day or so (which is expected). We would not give ongoing coverage to continued humanitarian efforts, similarly to the Turkey/Syria quake. Masem (t) 01:09, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

  Main issue is rainfall. [5] specifically mentions "Over the next 48 hours, very heavy rainfall is forecast over southern Malawi and over Zambezia, Sofala and Tete Provinces (central-northern Mozambique)". This would still be ongoing as long as the article is updated, heavy rainfall is occurring, and scores of people are being reported deceased. Noah^Talk 01:12, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

  101 more dead in Malawi today and missing there increased from 41 to 201. No word on increases in Mozambique yet, but more likely there since they couldnt access many areas. Noah^Talk 14:58, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

• Pull The cyclone moved on, rain lasts forever. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:12, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

March 13

Portal:Current events/2023 March 13

March 13, 2023 (2023-03-13) (Monday) Disasters and accidents 2022–23 South-West Indian Ocean cyclone season Cyclone Freddy Cyclone Freddy kills at least 99 people in Malawi, including 85 people in Blantyre. It is the longest-lived tropical cyclone on record, according to the WMO, having formed on February 4. (The Guardian) Thirty-four people are killed after a boat carrying migrants from Madagascar to the island of Mayotte sinks. (Arab News) One person is killed and three others are injured by an apparent gas explosion in Swansea, Wales, United Kingdom. (BBC News) Law and crime 2023 Amqui truck attack Two people are killed and nine others are injured when a truck strikes a group of pedestrians in Amqui, Quebec, Canada. (CBS News) Politics and elections 2023 Tokelauan general election Kerisiano Kalolo becomes the new Head of Government of Tokelau. (RNZ)

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(Posted) RD: Vera Selby

Article: Vera Selby (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://wst.tv/vera-selby-mbe-passes-away/
Credits:

• Nominated by Lee Vilenski (talk · give credit)
• Updated by HurricaneHiggins (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:52, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support - article seems to meet requirements. - Indefensible (talk) 04:45, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support - per above. Nigej (talk) 09:55, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
• Posted. --Tone 10:44, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Kenzaburō Ōe

Article: Kenzaburō Ōe (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times, BBC News
Credits:

• Nominated by Cielquiparle (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Khiikiat (talk · give credit) and Cielquiparle (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Died March 3, but death was only announced on March 13; article looks mostly ok, with just a few places missing citations which we can hopefully fix quickly. Cielquiparle (talk) 10:43, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support No unsourced content now. Looks to be ready for RD. --Vacant0 (talk) 19:08, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support - article seems to meet requirements, could use some ref clean up though. - Indefensible (talk) 04:57, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support, lovingly improved since you brought it here --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:45, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support Nothing to complain. Y OK. Grimes2 (talk) 10:10, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
• Posted. --Tone 10:44, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

  @Tone I didn't realize it had posted already! Next time I would appreciate a notification. I went ahead and sent one to everyone else. Cielquiparle (talk) 23:06, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

RD: Pat Schroeder

Article: Pat Schroeder (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP
Credits:

• Nominated by Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Nohomersryan (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Some sourcing problems, but it doesn't look like too many. Sunshineisles2 (talk) 03:36, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Joe Pepitone

Article: Joe Pepitone (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [6]
Credits:

• Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 22:41, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support. C-class article looks ready. -SusanLesch (talk) 23:04, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

• Comment Sorry for the premature vote of confidence. Looks good now. -SusanLesch (talk) 13:17, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

• Two unreferenced paragraphs with contentious material. Stephen 01:02, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

  Yeah it's not ready yet. I'll ping you when I find those sources. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:33, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

  Stephen, should be good now. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:43, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support Everything seems to be sourced now. --Vacant0 (talk) 19:07, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 03:15, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

RD: Naonobu Fujii

Article: Naonobu Fujii (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Olympics JA insidethegames
Credits:

• Nominated by Rushtheeditor (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Rushtheeditor (talk) 21:30, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

• Not yet ready Article is not holistic, more expansion of his volleyball career is needed. Curbon7 (talk) 13:40, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

(posted) Update blurb: Collapse of Signature Bank

Article: Collapse of Signature Bank (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Silicon Valley Bank (headquarters pictured) and Signature Bank collapse in the second and third–largest bank failures in U.S. history. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Silicon Valley Bank (headquarters pictured) and Signature Bank collapses in the second and third–largest bank failures in U.S. history
News source(s): [7]
Credits:

• Nominated by Juxlos (talk · give credit)

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Third largest banking collapse in US history, right behind SVB and WaMu. 29th largest bank in the US by assets according to the Federal Reserve, $110 billion in assets or thereabouts. No article yet on its collapse Collapse of Signature Bank is still a W.I.P., so feel free to oppose on quality for the time being if needed. Juxlos (talk) 03:49, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Support - two of the largest bank failures in American history occurring in a few days is certainly a major - and worrying - event. Crusader1096 (message) 04:05, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Article on the SB collapse has since been created. Crusader1096 (message) 04:11, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Support – and also link 2023 United States bank failures once it's expanded. DecafPotato (talk) 04:11, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Amending because the blurb was updated with the article Collapse of Signature Bank, in which case I have to oppose on quality for the time being. DecafPotato (talk) 04:14, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

I have spent a lot of time today adding information about the Signature collapse to its article and overhauling it. I have ported some of that material to the new Collapse of Signature Bank page, but I fear that it will actually be quite redundant the way that the page is structured. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 05:52, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

• Comment While one can call the Signature Bank a bank failure, my read of articles states it was done preemptively to prevent a mass rush on the bank markets following the SVB failure (which came out of nowhere). As such I don't think an update is necessary, but it is wise to be looking at a broad article on 2023 bank collapses if they keep happening and suggest that for ongoing. We definitely can't keep adding more banks to blurbs. --Masem (t) 04:14, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

  Hopefully it stops at 2 large banks, but if an increasing number of banks collapse we would just have to do it with a number ticker a la natural disaster fatalities. Juxlos (talk) 04:17, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Support This is incredibly worrying for global economy. MarioJump83 (talk) 04:34, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality Now Support The article needs to be expanded. Currently, there are very few details. Once the article is improved, I will gladly support it. As Massem suggested, future bank failures should be included in a broad article if that trend continues. --Maxxies (talk) 04:56, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

  @Maxxies: Has the article been expanded to your satisfaction? — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 18:33, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

  Yes. There are more details now in the article. Maxxies (talk) 22:42, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Comment. There's an article that's currently under construction at 2023 United States bank failures. I don't oppose updating for now, but I do think that we may want to consider the article under construction as the bold entry if we're going to be making this update. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 05:17, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

I agree. It will provide a better insight on what is currently happening. I would certainly prefer to see this article compiling bank failures on ITN. Maybe if US bank collapses continue, why not consider this article as an ongoing event? Maxxies (talk) 05:55, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

• Photo RD Whatever else this collapse portends, I think it's high time a bank was pictured, or a banker or something. Kaja Kallas had a good run. But times change. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:28, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

  How do you feel about

  

  What about this photo?

  File:Signature bank storefront (39th & Madison) reporters swarming.png? (cc: SWinxy, who took the photograph). — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 22:06, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

  I think this issue became moot when the Oscars blurb was added with image of Michelle Yeoh. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 22:25, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

  Mootish. I think a hundred billion dollars is worth more (in importance bucks) than a movie which might see a hundred million in sales, if lucky. But Michelle Yeoh is definitely the Best Picture, aesthetically, and both are about as topical. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:38, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

  Bah! Let Yeoh enjoy the spotlight. She deserves it :) SWinxy (talk) 22:56, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

  I cannot dispute a bah. She can have it, then the director, then maybe the next bank. Seems that movie was pretty lucky after all, already raking in over a tenth of a billion before the Wikipedian consideration. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:56, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose The 29th largest bank of a single country…… _-_Alsor (talk) 07:25, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

  Are we seriously going to have this argument again? Crusader1096 (message) 07:35, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

  It is roughly a full half the size of the last one, where it counts, in dollars and cents. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:47, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

  I have the same arguments, you have the same arguments. And we should respect it. _-_Alsor (talk) 08:21, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Per WP:ERRORS, there are serious issues with these claims. Our list of rankings is not reliable and, in any case, the authorities are taking action and so the matter is a work-in-progress. So, we should wait rather than rushing to make sensational claims. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:03, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

  Third-largest is verified by Reuters. The 29th largest is my quip, not part of the hook. Juxlos (talk) 13:04, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

  Not impressed as the Reuters source admits to the amusing error of dropping a billion. The discussion at WP:ERRORS indicates that they still have more work to do in explaining what a "bank" is in this context. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:23, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

  It's extremely clear to anyone with mild familiarity of the subject matter that "bank" in this context is referring to a depository institution. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 18:17, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

  Bank Classification is not simple and that's just in the US. We should not assume that our international and general readership understands this complexity and jargon in a particular way. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:34, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

  Sure? But we're talking a bout failures of U.S. banks here, so we would be a bit amiss if we were to include entities that were not considered banks in the United States on the list. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 14:05, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

  Entities such as Lehman Brothers were certainly considered banks and they are shown as such on Wikipedia being in categories like Banks based in New York City. The issue which arises especially in the US is the divide introduced by the Glass–Steagall legislation which separated commercial and investment banking in a way which is not so common in other countries. Both sides of the Glass-Steagall divide were still banks and they have both failed in a big way. If we're going make claims like "second-largest", then this distinction is vital. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:19, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

  I agree with this note above. Ktin (talk) 17:22, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

  This was pointed out on the talk page of the List of largest failures. Maybe that article needs to be reformatted to include Lehman and other banks-but-not-exactly-banks in the same. I was surprised when I opened the article and saw that Lehman wasn't on top of it. -- Rsrikanth05 (talk) 23:09, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose until the issues with the wording of the current blurb are resolved on WP:ERRORS. Then, of course, support. I even consider posting this onto ongoing as it already seems to be a major developing story impacting stock markets and financial regulation in the US. A good target for ongoing would be 2023 United States bank failures, but it's currently not in a postable shape.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 10:26, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

  Working on that. Any help on improving the article would be much appreciated. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 13:50, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

  I joined you in expanding the article. Now it should be fine.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 14:43, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose per Masem.--⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 12:03, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per above - User:Editor 5426387 (Talk) 12:09, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Should link directly to Signature Bank, not the unnecessary, duplicative, and low-quality Collapse of Signature Bank. Reywas92^Talk 14:22, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
  • Redirected again, you were right about redirecting. —Alalch E. 16:51, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

• I have changed the link in the article to point once more to Signature Bank after merger. Pinging editors who wanted to see this: @Reywas92 and DecafPotato:. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 17:17, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

  Looks good on quality now, but I would still like to see March 2023 United States bank failures linked somehow. DecafPotato (talk) 17:29, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

  Would Silicon Valley Bank and Signature Bank both collapse over the span of three days, becoming the second- and third-largest bank failures in U.S. history work for you? — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 17:32, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

  That works I guess. —Alalch E. 17:49, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

  I would not object. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 18:05, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

  Two bank failures is not a trend, so at this time it would be far too soon to use that article as a target. The situation does change day to day so this might be appropriate later. Masem (t) 18:11, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

  They seem to have common cause (i.e. bank runs), and the Federal Reserve created a whole new lending facility to try to stem the contagion from both failures. I think that boldlinking the article on the bank failures (which also includes the bank failure that kicked this all off, Silvergate Bank) is more than warranted given the extraordinary nature of the response to these failures. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 18:14, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

  How about

  Following the collapse of Silicon Valley Bank, Signature Bank collapses in the third major U.S. bank failure of March 2023.

  ? DecafPotato (talk) 19:18, 13 March 2023 (UTC) (Edit for rationale: partially per WP:ERRORS, I think noting that this is the third major bank failure this month is more important than the scale of them, but possibly both could work, in text following the third major U.S. bank failure of March 2023 text. DecafPotato (talk) 19:20, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

  I like that. —Alalch E. 19:32, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

  Also works for me. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 20:33, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Support - Sounds good, put it up 2A00:23C8:B03:9F01:C980:3C99:352:FAFA (talk) 18:01, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support alternative blurb of Silicon Valley Bank and Signature Bank both collapse over the span of three days, becoming the second- and third-largest bank failures in U.S. history. I think all three articles are in good enough shape to post, and I believe that the article covering the March bank collapses should be boldlinked. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 18:12, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
  • I also think the 2023 collapses link should be boldfaced because it also covers the third (and the first to collapse) bank, which is essential to what's happening. —Alalch E. 18:37, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support. It's also better to make all of this an ongoing news story about the FED interest rates hikes and the economic fallout from that. A lot more banks and companies will go belly up.Count Iblis (talk) 22:35, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support - obviously just bump the blurb back up and merge them together, though. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 22:55, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support Definitely. NB Could be out of date by tomorrow. Thelisteninghand (talk) 23:16, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support Updated Blurb per nom. No sense messing with combined articles or Ongoing at the moment though, we're just talking about two incidents that are in the same bucket and may stand as more notable when considered together. DarkSide830 (talk) 00:06, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support Two bank collapses within a couple days is obviously significant. Curbon7 (talk) 13:37, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support per above. TheBlueSkyClub (talk) 16:00, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per Masem. If the trend continues and there are more developments, then a standalone article and ongoing might be appropriate, but this incident isn't individually ITN worthy.  — Amakuru (talk) 17:45, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
• Comment Moody's has downgraded the outlook for the banking sector. Yet even with these banking crises, the stock market actually took a 1% bounce yesterday - 2% for the NASDAQ. A very healthy clawback. I don't think it means the ITN item is totally insignificant, but it speaks to one of the major difficulties in tracking complex economic stories through ITN! --⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 12:29, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

  That's my concern still is that while many major sources are talking of this as a larger trend, it really is OR at this point to say "two banks failed and some stock corrections" == major event. Its the same reason that when the DOE report about their stance on the lab leak theory was all over the place, it wasn't the type of news that Wikipedia, including ITN, would really give much weight to. Its the 10-yr view we need to consider with topics like these if they will be long-lasting or just a burst of coverage. Its still something to watch for, but the news over the last few days, particularly when the FDIC assured all funds would be covered and alleviating major concerns, have made this story less compelling than when the SVB closure was first announced. Masem (t) 12:44, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

• Wait. I would have said support but it looks like other banks are now getting affected: Switzerland's Credit Suisse seems to be in trouble (and apparently this has been ongoing since at least 3 March). Per these articles from AP, CNN, and The Guardian, it looks like this is a bigger event now. I say we should wait for more developments before we update this, although admittedly the collapse of SVB and Signature are big news and frankly, ITN worthy. Vida0007 (talk) 15:14, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

  Considering the issue is getting larger (and collecting more bank casualties with it), I'm beginning to think we could go with Masem and Amakuru's suggestions of putting it on Ongoing. I still support a blurb, but since the problem is most likely not ending at SVB and Signature, I think a spot in Ongoing can work as well. TheBlueSkyClub (talk) 19:47, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

  I would also support that. DecafPotato (talk) 19:56, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

  Yup, that suggestion would be fine with me. Vida0007 (talk) 19:48, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

  Credit Suisse has been shaky since... 2021? Also, it is not an US bank, so it's hard to say if it would be related. The Swiss National Bank just bailed it out, anyway. Juxlos (talk) 09:40, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support updating blurb &/or adding it to ongoing This is clearly a major additional event, so I think it’d be best to update the blurb, but more banks may fail, so it could be an ongoing crisis. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 21:57, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support updating blurb to include both Signature and Silvergate bank as well. Yes, please do link to the March 2023 failures article. Not too sure about making it ongoing. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 23:07, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
• Needs attention most of the early !oppose votes were over article length and quality, which seems to be mostly resolved by now. Significance has at least been established to some extent, in that most financial/business newspapers still have them as headline news a week in. Juxlos (talk) 09:31, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
• Posted the hook proposed by Red-tailed hawk. Schwede66 09:48, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

March 12

Portal:Current events/2023 March 12

March 12, 2023 (2023-03-12) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks Iran–Israel conflict during the Syrian civil war Israeli airstrikes at a weapons depot in Masyaf, Hama Governorate, Syria, kill a Syrian soldier and two pro-Iranian militants. (Arab News) Israeli–Palestinian conflict Israeli soldiers kill three Palestinian gunmen near Nablus, West Bank, after coming under fire. (The Guardian) Kivu conflict Nineteen people are killed by suspected Islamist insurgents in Kirindera, North Kivu, Democratic Republic of the Congo. (Reuters) Arts and culture 95th Academy Awards At this year's Oscars, Everything Everywhere All at Once wins seven awards, including Best Actress, Best Supporting Actor, Best Original Screenplay, Best Director, and Best Picture. (Variety) Malaysian actress Michelle Yeoh becomes the first Asian to win the Best Actress award for her performance in Everything Everywhere All at Once. (AFP via ABS-CBN News) Business and economy March 2023 United States bank failures Collapse of Signature Bank New York-based commercial bank Signature Bank is closed down after a bank run on its deposits, and is taken into receivership by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation. (Reuters) Transport in Saudi Arabia Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman formally announces the establishment of Riyadh Air, a new flag carrier airline of Saudi Arabia. (Reuters) Disasters and accidents At least 22 people are killed and two others are reported missing after a boat heading to Mayotte capsizes off the coast of Madagascar. (Reuters) Thirty people are reported missing after a boat carrying migrants from Libya capsizes while crossing the Mediterranean Sea. (Reuters)

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(Posted) RD: Phyllida Barlow

Article: Phyllida Barlow (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [8] [9]
Credits:

• Nominated by Vladimir.copic (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Strattonsmith (talk · give credit) and UnlikelyEvangeline (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Well cited and pretty well rounded article. Vladimir.copic (talk) 22:08, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Are photographs of the artist's 3D sculptures Creative Commons safe under UK Freedom of Panorama, if they weren't "permanent" installations? Cielquiparle (talk) 22:25, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

I think you're right so I've removed them. Vladimir.copic (talk) 00:27, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support Looks ready. --Vacant0 (talk) 19:05, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 23:43, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Marek Kopelent

Article: Marek Kopelent (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Czech Radio
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Influential Czech composer who received foreign commissions while banned in his home country from 1971 to 1989, influential then also as professor from 1991. - Article had only few inline citations, and few works. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:40, 14 March 2023 (UTC) KTC (talk) 20:45, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support Looks good for RD. --Vacant0 (talk) 19:19, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 23:45, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

RD: Dick Fosbury

Article: Dick Fosbury (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

• Nominated by KTC (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 KTC (talk) 20:45, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

• Wait Article is mostly in good shape but has a few uncited paragraphs. Revolutionary figure in the sport of high jumping TartarTorte 20:53, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

• Comment A lot of WP:PROSELINE issues in the second half of the article. Curbon7 (talk) 13:33, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
• Wait Two obvious problems. Date of birth lacks an inline reference. Non-notable children should not be listed by name. Schwede66 17:01, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Unsourced paragraphs. (And are those paragraphs with only one source at the end mostly covered by that said source?)—Bagumba (talk) 12:21, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) Oscars 95

Articles: 95th Academy Awards (talk · history · tag) and Everything Everywhere All at Once (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At the 95th Academy Awards, Daniel Kwan and Daniel Scheinert win the awards for best director while Brendan Fraser (pictured) wins the award for best actor. (provisional blurb) (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ At the 95th Academy Awards, Everything Everywhere All at Once (lead actress Michelle Yeoh pictured) wins seven awards, including Best Picture.
News source(s): ABC
Credits:

• Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)

One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Recurring item. The ceremony is still ongoing, with best picture not being announced, but the news is that almighty Fraser himself has won best actor while the Daniels best director(s?).
Edit: having had BP announced, I am striking the original blurb. Crusader1096 (message) 03:28, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

• per ITNR we go with the winning film. That EEAAO won 7 awards including Best Picture is what we should be noting, which would give us an opportunity to feature a picture of Michelle Yeoh instead. --Masem (t) 03:35, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

  Fixed. Crusader1096 (message) 03:38, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

• Comment Michelle Yeoh was the actress, not the directors. Otherwise Support. Mount Patagonia (talk) 03:41, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support Well-deserved. Can we do a rotation of images for Yeoh, Quan, Curtis, and the Daniels? I'd love to see all of them featured for a few hours each. Davey2116 (talk) 03:43, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

  Whoever's image is being shown should have their award in the blurb. It's weird, showing Yeoh as the lead actress but not mentioning that she won the Oscar for lead actress. starship.paint (exalt) 04:35, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

  agree Kirill C1 (talk) 07:19, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

• Comment There is probably a bit more about the ceremony that should be included (no big "slap" to worry about, but we still have the usual things like in Memorandum to be added). Also note that the film page appears to be in very good shape for highlighting. --Masem (t) 03:48, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
• Comment Support but perhaps use the poster or a picture of the entire cast (including the directors, who themselves won 3 awards) instead of just Michelle Yeoh? Consultant Wiki (talk) 06:06, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

At the 95th Academy Awards, Everything Everywhere All at Once (best actress winner Michelle Yeoh pictured) wins seven awards, including Best Picture Kirill C1 (talk) 07:19, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

• Posting. Looks good. In Memoriam should probably have a separate reference but I suppose it is included somewhere in the other ones. The prose summary is fine. Regarding the picture, we can cycle some of the cast and crew. --Tone 08:21, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

  I did also believe the film itself was potential for a bold link with its quality but no further comments on that, yet. Masem (t) 12:21, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

  The film article looks to be in a great shape. I don't mind it being bolded. Tone 15:34, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

  I'm generally not a fan of additional bolds, save for an FA (or GA). Keep the thing the thing. —Bagumba (talk) 02:32, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

March 11

Portal:Current events/2023 March 11

March 11, 2023 (2023-03-11) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks Afghanistan conflict A security guard is killed and eight other people are injured by an explosion in Mazar-i-Sharif, Balkh Province, Afghanistan. (Reuters) Herder–farmer conflicts in Nigeria Sixteen people are killed by Fula gunmen at a police checkpoint in Zangon Kataf, Kaduna State, Nigeria. (AP) Disasters and accidents Indonesia's Merapi volcano erupts. Eight villages have been affected by volcanic ash. (Reuters) (AFP) Eight miners are killed in Geita Region, Tanzania, when their pit is flooded with rainwater. (Xinhua) At least eight people are killed in a collision between two boats near Black's Beach in San Diego, California, United States. (Los Angeles Times) Politics and elections 14th National People's Congress Li Qiang is elected as Premier of the People's Republic of China, succeeding Li Keqiang. (BBC News) Sports 2022–23 FIS Alpine Ski World Cup Mikaela Shiffrin becomes the world's most successful alpine skier with her 87th World Cup victory. (Reuters)

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(Posted) RD: Ahlem Belhadj

Article: Ahlem Belhadj (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Espace Manager Business News
Credits:

• Nominated by Dumelow (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Normantas Bataitis (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: An article I started a good few years ago whose subject has now died. I've not kept a close eye on it but have tidied it up a bit today - Dumelow (talk) 09:24, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support Article appears to be well-cited and holistic. Curbon7 (talk) 13:32, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support Per above. --Vacant0 (talk) 19:16, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support Article is fine for RD. Marking as ready. Cheers, because its my birthday!. WimePocy 14:54, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
• Posted. Black Kite (talk) 15:10, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Bud Grant

Article: Bud Grant (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [10]
Credits:

• Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 17:42, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Support (Maybe blurb) Article is a GA, and the name Bud Grant is well known in both the NFL and CFL worlds, and even in the NBA world (Yes, he played basketball for the Lakers and won the 1950 Finals with them). — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheCorriynial (talk • contribs) 17:57, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

I don't think we need a blurb for him. Article has been GA for 15 years, so it should not automatically be taken as quality. I'm reviewing it to see if there's anything glaring. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:17, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support. While a blurb would be nice (I'd support it), as he's one of the greatest all-time NFL coaches, one of the greatest all-time CFL coaches (one of the top five winningest coaches ever), a great CFL player, a (briefly) great NFL player, as well as NBA player, I'd bet immediately there would be a bunch of opposes due to being "too America-centric." But anyway, the article is good enough quality it appears to qualify for RD. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:02, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb if he were the winningest, or highest-record, or longest-serving, coach in NFL history I could possibly support (though you'd get opposes even then), but having not even a single first-place record renders this a no-go IMO. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 20:41, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support RD, oppose blurb. Qualified to be posted under RD but not noteworthy enough to be blurbed. Article looks ready though. Vida0007 (talk) 20:52, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
• Not Quite Ready Almost there but the Coaching Tree section near the bottom has some referencing gaps. Should be a quick fix for anyone with access to sources. As soon as that is fixed this can be just treated as a support for RD. No need to ping me. Not really feeling a blurb here. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:12, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Done. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:58, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Support, oppose blurb Article is now ready to go. Blurb is not necessary. MarioJump83 (talk) 04:42, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

• Comment One cn tag is present. Once this is fixed → Support RD. --Vacant0 (talk) 10:12, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support CN tags removed. Article in RD-quality shape now, good to go. Cheers. WimePocy 13:36, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support. Article is a GA and looks good. -SusanLesch (talk) 22:57, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
• Posted. 14:56, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

(Closed) Mikaela Shiffrin's 87th World Cup victory

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: Mikaela Shiffrin (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Mikaela Shiffrin (pictured) becomes the world's most successful alpine skier with her 87th World Cup race win. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Alpine World Cup is won by Mikaela Shiffrin and Marco Odermatt, with Shiffrin breaking the old record by earning her 87th victory. <Cup isn't over yet.>
Alternative blurb II: ​ Mikaela Shiffrin breaks the record for most alpine skiing World Cup race wins.
News source(s): Reuters, CNN, The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by W.carter (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Vunic01 (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: With her 87th win, Shiffrin overtakes Ingemar Stenmark's 34 y/o (!!) all-time record wins. If posted with photo, I think this victory-gesture-photo is the most appropriate. cart-Talk 17:26, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support as nominator. cart-Talk 17:26, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose We tend to avoid posting singular athlete achievements like this unless it is a well-known record to be broken (eg something like Four-minute mile), as otherwise, these are records likely to be broken in the future as well. --Masem (t) 17:38, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality due to sourcing issues. As for notability, I'd need a compelling reason, given the bar set at Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates/February 2023 § (Pulled) LeBron James sets scoring record.—Bagumba (talk) 17:43, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose mostly because the number of World Cup titles is what counts more in alpine skiing (race victories just ease the road to winning a World Cup title). Marcel Hirscher won his record sixth World Cup title in 2017 and went on to win a total of eight before retiring, but the problem is that we didn’t mention it anywhere because we don’t regularly post the World Cup winners due to quality problems. I think it’s more important to work on improving the articles on the World Cups, which contain bare tables, so that we post them regularly than singling out one such record. As for notability, compare this to Ronnie O’Sullivan surpassing Stephen Hendry’s record in the number of ranking titles won and the Golden State Warriors setting a new winning record in the regular season.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 19:48, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per Bagumba; if Lebron James's record in basketball didn't pass muster at ITN, how could someone get on here with a record in a much more niche sport? – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 20:37, 11 March 2023 (UTC) (UPDATE: See below. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 23:12, 12 March 2023 (UTC))
• Oppose again, per Bagumba. Considering we set a really high bar for sports records to meet in order for them to make it to ITN by denying LeBron's record, I doubt we blurb her. TheBlueSkyClub (talk) 21:16, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose good faith nom - It's a shame that we set a very high bar at ITN/C for some things or another, but it is what it is, we are unlikely to post any major individual achievements except for those which are spectacularly extraordinary beyond any sort of conceivable threshold. --⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 23:36, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per Begumba and Kiril. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 23:47, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
• Comment This referring to the Lebron James's record is just odd. His record was a US achievement on a national level, that past by relatively unnoticed here in Europe. This is an international record that is making headlines in Europe, US, Canada and parts of Asia. This is more like winning a bunch of Wimbledon Championships, and we've posted plenty of those. cart-Talk 08:06, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
  • Basketball is a very important sport in the US (not to mention other countries), whereas skiing is not very important anywhere outside of possibly the Nordics (as you yourself admit below). I don't know if we post regular skiing stuff outside of the Olympics, but regardless I don't think this record raises to the level of, say, the first under-two hour marathon or the four-minute mile. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 15:47, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Last time I checked, this was the Wikipedia in the English language, not the US Wikipedia. Skiing is bigger than basketball in the Nordic countries and central Europe. It is also big in Canada, Japan and Korea. Even if basketball is a big sport, it shouldn't eclipse other sports and set the standards for them. That is like saying we shouldn't post elections from small states at ITN. Btw, the nom is about a US skier if we stick to the US Wiki agenda. cart-Talk 17:02, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

W.carter, check out the LeBron James discussion to see the links to articles for Le Monde, El Pais, La Repubblica, The Guardian, and other non-U.S. news sources. Just because you didn't see it and/or didn't care about it doesn't mean it was "relatively unnoticed" worldwide. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:15, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Muboshgu, of course I read about it online, and with a brother-in-law who is a US basketball coach, it's hard to not hear about a thing like that, do not assume things you don't know anything about. But it wasn't broadcasted on radio and tv like this record was. And I still think an international record is more significant than a national. cart-Talk 01:06, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

I wasn't assuming anything, I was reading where you said it was "relatively unnoticed" even though it was quite noticed. There is way too much of people talking about things they know nothing about on this page. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:10, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

• It's not national level, all the strong non-USA players play there, a large percent of the superstars grew up in Eurasia or Africa with no American connections like citizenship or ancestry. The gap to the second strongest league in the world is large, even the strongest domestic soccer league isn't consistently obviously better than the second strongest. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 16:16, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

It doesn't matter if the US league is the strongest in the world and the players come from all over the world (Heck, my own sister was drafted from Sweden and played basketball for a New York college!) As long as the teams don't play teams from other nations, it's by definition a national league. cart-Talk 16:53, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

By 1995 75% of big four USA sports have had Canadian team(s) in their top league. So barely international (Canadian football and American football are different sports kind of like rugby union and league and have a deal to not directly compete though some Canadians follow both) Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 20:17, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Some consider Toronto a Canadian city, but many Canadians prefer to think of it as a global metropolis that just happens to technically sit above that oddly southern part of the border. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:38, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

So a bit like New York or London? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 21:30, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

A bit more like Dubai, on account of its preposterously gigantic tower. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:38, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Our tower is only 1.3% shorter than yours, Dubai is 1.5 CN Towers tall. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 22:07, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

It's not my tower, I'm a bushpig. There's a hotel nearby standing three storeys tall and even that freaks me out. "Yours" is that 1776er, eh? InedibleHulk (talk) 22:44, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Yup, world's tallest structure outside of Asia, Toronto, putting one end of a really long string on something that floats/sinks/flies, topography, putting really long things on topography, some very hollow antennas only a few meters wide that'd fall without by a forest stretched of diagonal cables, and oil rigs that bend way more than land towers (up to 84+ feet) and might collapse if the sea didn't partly cancel their weight (like 90% is underwater). There's a 16 foot tall thin piece that makes it 1,792 feet tall though (1,806 feet above sea level, 1,813 above lowest tide on record (the offshore wind side of a cyclone), about 1,794.5 above the highest (the 2012 hurricane that flooded Ground Zero with seawater but we only got the onshore wind side)). I've freaked out looking at flat land only 2 floors high as far as the eye can see. The other sub-3 floor neighborhoods I've seen and a bus ride to the Rockies and back didn't bother me but the way this neighborhood I wanted to walk across looked from that vantage point it looked so weird. Walking in the country for the first time gave thoughts of walking too far out, this very local lack of signs of man in sight (besides one dirt road) continuing forever and starving to death though I knew I only needed to walk a few more miles. You ever dream you ran so fast you couldn't see where you're going, are now probably remote enough to starve to death if you weren't superhumanly fast, do a 180 and run a similar time and effort to get unlost, and find out you're not superhuman anymore? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 03:55, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Nope. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:08, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Snow was starting to stick to the tundra in summer, I ran like the Flash and got trapped in Canada

. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 16:37, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

On further review, I'll concede that Toronto is indeed more like New York than Dubai. And yes, I forgot about those freaky transmission towers among the trees. Definitely scarier than the local haunted hotel. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:36, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

That was the new box fucking up the text when you've written too much and me missing every fuckup. They're in a forest of diagonal steel cables pulling every Xth "floor" in every direction. I don't think they even have floors or stairs though, it's a glorified elevator. If they were in a forest they might fall down as soon as a storm drops heavy crap on the cables. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 13:30, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

I don't know what kind of fucked-up box you're talking about, but the forest towers I see are just steel frames, no floors, some thin steps welded on that make my knees weak even imagining climbing. Blinking red light on the top, like a caribou. If you ever go to visit, you'll see they're in clearings so no heavy crap (or what the natives call "wood") may intervene, but from a distance, there seems harmony. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:50, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Yeah that's pretty much it, looks like a needle from far away, is really steel frame up to 2,121 feet tall, no floors, blinking red light at the top. steel cables tugging on various heights but except up close it looks like it's standing up unassisted. Maybe they don't all have elevators. The tallest ever made had an elevator until it collapsed, no walls. Its article has a vertiginous photo that makes it look infinitely tall. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 04:00, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

The box you get when you click the reply link under each comment. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 04:35, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

That's not the box I get, I'm a bushpig. Old skin, manual indentation and no Javascript, the way the Browser Gods intended. Anyway, the towers I know are more like 200 feet, and anyone who can't climb 200 feet on a cold and windy day to change a lightbulb should probably find a new path through life (but not wanting to scale that next two thousand feet by hand is understandable, and those brave souls deserve all the luxury in the world). InedibleHulk (talk) 03:06, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

That's the heaviest crap that falls in a windstorm, anyway; occasionally something like the January 1998 North American ice storm comes drizzling in and all those fine lines are exactly what doom them to crumble while cubier creatures cope. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:59, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Furthermore, Gushue wins! I don't know Dunstone from Adam, but that's the sort of sport record a "typical" Canadian freaks out about, I hear, not alpine skiing. Objectively one hell of a skip, in any case, respected or not (and a mighty fine day for the real Ontarian London). InedibleHulk (talk) 05:59, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

I wonder if anyone's ever curled naked? At least for one or two stones. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 13:45, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support. Heavens forbid we post an ITN item about a woman athlete beating a major international record set by a man 34 years ago. Nsk92 (talk) 12:37, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

  I mean this clearly isn't about men or women. LeBron's record was not posted, and he's a man. Dash Hyphen (talk) 13:59, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

LeBron was national, Shiffrin is international, that's the big difference. cart-Talk 14:53, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

The strongest league in the world by far and half of the superstars seem to have no connection to the Western Hemisphere growing up by now. Their first connection besides being fans is moving here to play at around 18 years old. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 16:22, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Hey at least she surpassed LeBron on pageviews for a day. I mean, LeBron is either legitimately injured or load managing or whatever... Howard the Duck (talk) 22:55, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

• Question - We very rarely post skiing news at all. This is a world-spanning contest; is there any argument for posting her latest victory as the main story, rather than the record it sets? GenevieveDEon (talk) 14:49, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Skiing competitions are not that big even when world-vide, so they take a backseat to say cricket and soccer unless something extraordinary and unprecedented happens. Like this. That's why I made the nom, to widen the scope of ITN just a smidgen. cart-Talk 15:00, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

• Important comment. This event (FIS Alpine Skiing) is in WP:ITNR, but the article 2022–23 FIS Alpine Ski World Cup that we'd highlight is in poor shape (needs more prose). But by switching the blurb to go something like "In skiing, Marco Odermatt and Mikaela Shiffrin win the Alpine World Cup, with Shiffrin earning her 87th victory." or something like that. --Masem (t) 17:21, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Constructive comment indeed, that is sort of an idea to make this work, even if you instinctively place the male name first in a blurb that is really about highlighting the female's accomplishment. ;-) Alt blub added, let's see were this can take us. cart-Talk 17:41, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

BUT I just realized we can't post a blurb about them being winners of the World Cup yet, since the cup doesn't end until 19 March. There are four more events to run. cart-Talk 18:14, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

@Masem and W.carter: I totally agree that posting the World Cup winners should be prioritised because it's an ITN/R item that doesn't get regularly posted due to quality problems. However, note that she clinched the World Cup title last weekend and the season ends next weekend when she may win additional races, so it's very unclear how this record can fit in that blurb (in Formula One, we post a blurb when the winner is known, not when the season ends, and the same logic should apply here). At the very least, it's good that we have this discussion to direct attention to alpine skiing and its ITN/R item in the future.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 21:53, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Because the men's and women's version of alpine skiing occur at the same time, both should be featured in the same blurb. If it is the case that a person can cinch before the end of the season in this sport, then it should be posted when both positions have been cinched, and if that's before the end of the season, great. Masem (t) 23:00, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Agreed. I’d still like to see this story posted after very long time, but adding this record to the blurb would seem redundant.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 23:06, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support when ready The bar for significance is too high. This is a major record in a significant sport that has gone unbroken for decades, and it is being covered by major sources. Furthermore, the oldest two blurbs on the front page happened last month. We should post this. NorthernFalcon (talk) 18:10, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
  • @NorthernFalcon: Without prejudice to the rest of your support, the oldest two blurbs on the front page happened last month is not a good reason to support a blurb. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 23:04, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
    • I'll strike that. Also, the article isn't ready on quality yet, so I'll see if I can get some work done to it. NorthernFalcon (talk) 23:31, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support FIS Alpine Skiing blurb per Masem, even if we can't post it until 19 March. I was going to Oppose this, despite it being far more notable than such things as national basketball records, but since that article is ITNR, if it can be improved to a sufficiently adequate status, then all is good. Black Kite (talk) 19:08, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose article is full of CN tags. 194.230.148.207 (talk) 19:11, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

• Yes, that's why I said if it can be improved to a sufficiently adequate status. I'd have a go myself, but my knowledge of Alpine skiing is on a par with my knowledge of quantum physics. Black Kite (talk) 19:15, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

  It appears that I replied to you, but that's only because of the garbage editor. I started to write my comment replying to the main post, and then you posted before I posted, and now here we are in this conondrum :( 194.230.148.207 (talk) 19:19, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

• Haha, no problem. I think we agree anyway. Black Kite (talk) 19:38, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

• Wait till March 19, then post both winners (pending article cleanup), mentioning Shiffrin's record and picturing her for longer. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:51, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
• Wait - I absolutely agree with InedibleHulk in this case. GenevieveDEon (talk) 21:25, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

  To be fair, I stole the idea from Masem (whose comments I also often think are unimportant or wrong). InedibleHulk (talk) 21:30, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

• Wait. Would just be better though that we re-nom the competition when it has ended and note Shiffrin's record as well in the blurb. DarkSide830 (talk) 22:55, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
• Comment This weekend she won both the slalom and the giant slalom races, and there are already very low odds (high probability) that she’d win another race next weekend with a slalom and a giant slalom on the schedule. How will be this accommodated in the blurb? Will we report on the record-breaking 87th win if she has more than that? I know it’s a crystal-ball reasoning, but it’s definitely something to consider before making such suggestions.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 23:02, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose record blurb, neutral on skiing blurb I don't know to what extent skiing is covered by ITNR, but I'll still oppose any record mention (except as ancillary) per the Lebron James precedent. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 23:12, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Per all of the above - User:Editor 5426387 (talk) 23:39, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support LeBron should not have been pulled. Two wrongs don't make a right. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:55, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

  Nah, but "we were insulting the Turks and Syrians because they had an earthquake," or some nonsense. Crusader1096 (message) 03:08, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

• I'm willing to support this, as the event is ITNR, with an emphasis on this record. That doesn't mean LeBron's record shouldn't be pulled from the ITN. MarioJump83 (talk) 01:19, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
• Wait per IndelibleHulk. Banedon (talk) 03:09, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

  While I'm here compelled to correct the spelling of my username, I should also clarify that I'm not waiting to call her the most successful alpine skier. Just the record. Regardless of the upended man, racewise, Annemarie Moser-Pröll is still the better woman overall. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:51, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Support - again, the idea that Lebron's should have been pulled because it occurred at the same time as the Turko-Syrian earthquake and thus we were somehow being insulting to the victims is complete idiocy. Crusader1096 (message) 03:11, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

I really hope people didn't make that argument. Ay caramba... – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 05:55, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Some did. There was also a huff-puff when the image was changed from the earthquake to something else. Curbon7 (talk) 13:29, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose individual records like this. It's not a very meaningful record either, given the number of events has varied substantially over the years. If you want us to post more skiing stories - and I have no objection to that - the place to start was the FIS Alpine World Ski Championships. That's on WP:ITNR, so is automatically posted if the article is good enough, but it wasn't even nominated this year. Modest Genius ^talk 11:49, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

  Was Michael Phelps posted? Having more Olympic golds than anyone is easier when the number of 50 to 400 meter swim races increased to vast amounts. They probably have a men and women alternating 4x200 meter 50 meters per style relay by now. And the same thing in 4x400 of course. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 16:52, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose and Wait Opposing the posting of records of sportspersons; sports are well covered on ITNR, no need to open the floodgates for individual records. Both sports retirements and the postings of such records have rightly been considered against. Suggesting wait (per Masem) on the basis that this is part of an ITNR event and can be accomodated there but that will require a new nom when this event actually concludes. Gotitbro (talk) 17:40, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

RD: Tongo (entertainer)

Article: Tongo (entertainer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Eseuro
Credits:

• Nominated by Synotia (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Peruvian singer and YouTuber. I already knew him. ay bicam sonam... --08:46, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

• Weak Oppose I'm not too sure if the article is up to snuff yet, but that's mostly because in the Personal Life section, there's a bit of vague, unspecific language. I have nothing to do right now, though, so I'll try to fix that. TheBlueSkyClub (talk) 21:28, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Quality issues aside, there are still many unsourced covers in the music/career section. Cheers, because its my birthday!. WimePocy 13:27, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

14th national people's congress

Article: 14th National People's Congress (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Li Qiang is elected as Premier of the People's Republic of China, succeeding Li Keqiang. (Post)
News source(s): https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-64924440
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• Nominated by Editor 5426387 (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: China changed premier. User:Editor 5426387(talk) 17:26, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Frankly, I'm unsure if this fits into ITN or not. He's definitely not the head of state, but his predecessor was blurbed when he became premier. To be fair, though, that was 10 years back, so I say oppose, since he's not the guy with the most power. TheBlueSkyClub (talk) 15:14, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. Like the Xi nomination yesterday, this is simply rubber-stamping the decision made by the CCP a few months ago. China is a one-party state, where this supposed parliament simply confirms the decisions that were already made by the party. Li Qiang became Xi's effective deputy in October due to the retirement of Li Keqiang. The new activity is the People's Congress dutifully re-appointing Xi as head of state and appointing Li Qiang as head of government. As far as I am aware, those roles were never in doubt after the Party Congress. Modest Genius ^talk 15:41, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Weak Support As mentions per @TheBlueSkyClub, Keqiang was blurbed, that and that Qiang is a closer ally to Jinping, we have posted fixed elections before, this election fits into it, that and the rise of power that Xi has, definitely has to be noted on, even if this election is a small factor on it. Vriend1917 (talk) 02:32, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

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